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    My views and what I learned, Oct 23, 2018
  1. TheWestPole

    Not at all, @Trax. Your point about due process was clearly understood and none disagreed with it. You were respectfully engaged on the value and implications of #metoo, especially your assertion of injustice repeated above. You chose not to acknowledge those posts and to disengage completely.
  2. My views and what I learned, Oct 23, 2018
  3. Trax

    Unless you are on the Fantasy Football thread then you might not know me. I posted on the Moved thread and people completely missed my point. FFS. I said that special interest groups and the metoo movement were taking away a basic protection of our judicial system. Innocent until proven guilty. Terry suggested that I create my own thread and clearly state my political, religious and philosophical beliefs so that readers have a chance to stop reading if they want to so here goes:
    I am a 28 year old female. I am stripper. We own our own business. Both my husband and I graduated college. We own our own home. I'm a survivor of both sexual abuse and prejudice. We are crime victims. My parents are die hard Republicans but I consider my self a free thinking conservative. I'm not religious but tell people I'm spiritual. I try to respect other people's views and opinions but have very little tolerance for people that think their opinion is better just because of their education or how many letters they have after their name. I volunteer at a battered women's shelter. My brother is a heroin addict that is currently clean and rebuilding his life.
    Be honest not just with me but yourself. How many people reading this reread the statement that I am a stripper or at least kept it in their minds while reading the rest of my backstory? If so then you are as big a part of the problem as the people that call others ******s or fags or *******s or any other words that separates one person from another. Stop reading here and think about that.

    Did my comment about your education and letters after your name ruffle your feathers?
    How about my political leanings or sexual abuse or being a crime victim? Did any of that affect your view of me? Did any of you get offended by my comment that some people missed my point in the Moved thread? Then you missed my point. I wasn't condemning the #metoo movement. I was condemning the people that use it to deny the accused of due process. This isn't the 1950's anymore but what is happening is McCarthyism all over again. If you are the victim of a crime take it to the police not social media and not Congress and not some damn movement. I was raped. I went to the police and I fought for justice. He's behind bars where he belongs. On the flip, my husband fired a driver for failure to follow safety protocols and he was hit with a sexual discrimination lawsuit because the driver was gay. It cost us over $68,000 to fight that and we won but our only recourse to recover our losses is to sue a penniless driver. Austin hired him knowing he was gay and gave him the same quality runs as the other drivers. It didn't matter to him what his sexual orientation was. All he cared about was his ability to deliver runs safely on time. The guy failed and was canned. He failed to properly secure a load and items were damaged. We lost a contract because of that. That might not mean much to you but it was a loss of over $216,000 a year in revenue to us. Insurance paid the damages and then jacked our rates by 6%. The driver received a written warning according to our policy and was limited to local runs for 60 days. On his third run under restriction he sideswiped a car backing in to the loading dock and caused $3800 damage so Austin fired him. Now all of this was documented but he sued us for sexual discrimination in his termination. We paid the damages to the car to avoid another insurance claim and then had to pay an attorney almost $70,000 to fight the discrimination claims. How is that fair? Huh? You tell me. Sure we won the suit but still had to pay our lawyers and they said the only way to recoup our losses is go after the driver who doesn't have squat. That's why I am so pissed off about all of these allegations of abuse and sexual assault and discrimination without giving the accused their day in court. Innocent until proven guilty.
    Let that sink in too. You are innocent until proven guilty.
    I proved my attacker guilty by going to the police and allowing him to defend himself. The justice system found him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt and sent him to prison. My husband was falsely accused of sexual discrimination in firing an unsafe driver and was forced to spend more than most people earn a year in attorney fees to fight the lies. I did what was right so it was a win. Austin did nothing wrong but was forced to pay huge sums because of an accusation. Where is the justice in that? Careers are being stripped away from people because of allegations. Families are being torn apart and fortunes are being lost all because someone wants to run to social media or Congress or a committee or a movement without giving the accused a chance to defend themselves. That's bullshit and it makes me hate where our country is headed.
    So there is where I stand. I'm pro Constitution, pro due process, pro victims' rights as long as the letter of the law is followed, pro choice and have no sympathy for people that demand their rights be respected while pissing on the rights of others. If you are still reading you either agree with me or are formulating a comeback to refute what I've said. That's your right just don't directly attack me for having an opinion that differs from yours and I will show you the same respect.
    So as Terry suggested I have put out where I stand in black and white and hopefully you know a bit more about me. For those of you still fixated with the fact that I am an exotic dancer you can read a bit of my story on the fantasy football thread. I'm open to questions and challenges as long as they are respectful.
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  6. Moved Items, Oct 6, 2018
  7. TheWestPole

    Your points about due process and fairness are well taken. There are going to be a lot of unjust cases among the accused until we start dealing with the problem better. It's fortunate that you got justice in your case, but your case represents only 0.6% of rape cases nationally. What about the 99.4%? Were they all illegitimate? Of course not, including those which were never reported, for all the reasons that are well understood, or never stood a chance of being provable in court. Focusing your ire on the #metoo movement seems profoundly counterproductive to me. Don't you as a rape survivor want to encourage women and girls to report their assaults, contemporaneously or as soon as possible? That's what #metoo has been doing, encouraging women and girls though stories of long unreported assaults to come forward or otherwise embolden themselves to report assaults immediately. And to that end "I Believe the Women," which is not a legal position, is certainly an important message to send.


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    https://www.rainn.org/statistics/criminal-justice-system (note the sources)
  8. Moved Items, Oct 5, 2018
  9. Trax

    As a woman AND a victim of both sexual discrimination AND sexual assault, I have great faith in the legal and judicial system that was put in place to protect us. The presumption of innocence until proven guilty IN A COURT OF LAW requires proof beyond a mere accusation. People lie and not just men. The most underhanded and manipulative people I know are women and they use their gender as a weapon and get away with it because people in the streets are chanting "Believe All Survivors". So many liberal educated pseudo intellectuals are running around condemning others based on the one that that never stands up in court. Heresay. And they never stop to consider that maybe it's their house pulling the wagon full of shit. How many of these politicians and entertainers and sports figures and business leaders have been stripped of their livelihoods, their reputations, their families and their life's work without a day in court? When did we become a country that lets that happen? Back in the 50's our country went through a dark time when all it took was a suspicious of being a communist to ruin you forever. I guess we didn't learn. When I was assaulted I went to the police and I went to the ER and was tested and I stood in court and faced my attacker and he is in prison. I didn't run to the press or run to his job or run to some self serving movement. Why did I go get tested and face him in court? Because regardless of what he did to me he has rights too. The most important of which is the presumption of innocence until proven guilty. We got broken into 3 years ago and the guy was caught on video. He was found with my husband's tools but the charges were dropped because of problems with the chain of evidence. It happens. Thankfully not often but it does happen and I STILL believe in the system because as a victim I would rather my attacker and the guy that broke in go free than an innocent man spend time behind bars for a crime he didn't commit. There has to be proof beyond reasonable doubt and an accusation especially in the political arena is far from proof of anything. What our country is becoming at the hands of #metoo and the special interest groups disgusts me.
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